Winning Hearts and Minds

I get the feeling that a lot of MST3K fans do not actually like CFTP – or any of the other fan riffing projects – very much.  I always try to be respectful when I promote my own show, do it in the appropriate sections of forums or subreddits, not just be a post-and-go sort of ass… but there's so much hate, biting insulting hate… I just don't get it.

While MST3K was on the air, there was a lot of fascination with fan projects, I remember having to go through a complex set of trades to get a copy of the Alaskan guys who made an episode of MST3K doing Star Trek V.  So the fact that now, post-MST3K, there seems to be a lot of stand-off-ishness and general prick-itude from people, I am having a hard time understanding it.

For a while, I thought that maybe it was that MST3K is a sacred cow of sorts, but with the rise of Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic, the people of MST3K have more-or-less bisected the sacred cow and carried away the bits that they'd want, and the fans still seem to generally like them, so…  that's not it.

There seems to be more acceptance of the ones done through the mechanism of iRiff, but it's also really insular – aside from Quiptracks and Team FourStar, I've not really seen much promotion of iRiffs outside of the rifftrax forums, so I don't know if they just don't try or they've run into the same vitriol and simply given up on trying to promote outside their own community.

I know CFTP is no MST3K.  We're not as talented, or as funny, and we all have full-time jobs on the side so we can't give the show the dedication that people working exclusively on a tv show could give.  But I know, back in 1999, when MST3K got the axe, I would've been elated to see someone – ANYONE – trying to pick up the gauntlet and keep the idea alive, and I got the feeling from the forums and IRCs of the day that I was not alone.

So… what changed?

I would love to hear the thoughts, opinions, or ideas of everyone on this – even if you've never seen CFTP, if you were an fan of MST3K, please chime in.  I really want to know.

#MST3K, #rifftrax, #riffing, #CFTP, #CinematicTitanic

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2 Responses to “Winning Hearts and Minds”

  1. Russell Hannula June 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm #

    I still think the Sacred Cow analogy applies; the founders of MST3K are "allowed" to do more movie riffing.  They're the saints who, outside of Jim Malon, can basically do no wrong.  Which isn't to say that what they've done isn't great, cause it is, but outside of the founders of MST it's all heresy to the MST3K-ists, as far as riffing is concerned anyway.  Hell, I'm sure there are MST3K purists that hate both CT and RT, but by and large the founders are given a pass.  Hell, they argue about "mission creep" over at Satellite News whenever they feel Rifftrax or CT are given too much attention.  I think the religion analogy is apt; they aren't being rational in their arguments and absolutely nothing that anyone says will change their opinion either way.  They're fundamentalist fanatics not conscientious reviewers.  Because of this, I've come to view their opinions as utterly meaningless noise and so must always be ignored.  As Joel once said about MST3K: "The right people will get it.".  These people don't get anything outside of MST3K, we're not making our show for them.  Now, that doesn't mean I think we're above criticism, just above all of the "I hate you for reasons!" vitriol.  We may not be as good as MST3K at it's height, but damn, that's a nearly impossible goal to reach.  They had a prefect storm of tremendous talents, a budget, full-time involvement, and a studio that mostly let them do what they wanted.  I'd argue that we're almost on-par with Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax, which I think is quite the achievement considering making CFTP isn't our full-time job.

  2. C.A. Ruel June 24, 2014 at 4:59 pm #

    I'd be happy with anything that made me laugh–and man, nothing makes me laugh like MST3k! MST3k can't be replicated for any number if reasons, but that doesn't mean someone can't take the idea and run with it in a new direction and be successful. As in any creative medium, an artist should freely take from those pioneers who forged a path ahead of them. Walking that path, the artist veers right or left making another trail and something new emerges. I hold that the same applies here. MST3k made the path, now others should follow and put their own inspired creative energy behind making something new that has its heritage in the original. Go forward!

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